On July 1, two more states will ban drivers from talking on a cell phone unless they use a hands-free device. The debate on whether these laws prevent accidents is sure to heat up.
I think driving while talking on your cell phone or hands free device should be illegal altogether. If someone gets into an accident while talking on their cell phone or hands free device the penalty should be very steep. If someone is killed and the driver was on the cell phone they should go to jail. When you are drivine a multi ton piece of metal you have to concentrate on the task at hand. That would be your driving. Wake up people. We are becoming a society of ignorant, rude, arrogant human beings who really don't give a crap about anybody but ourselves. It's time to wake up and take responsibility for our actions. We did without cell phones and electronic gadgets for how many years?
Way to go Dawn-308170!!!!!!!! I agree with you 100%! I am tired of getting cut off by rude people paying attention to their call, and not the road!
What are these people talking about anyway???
If having both hands on the steering wheel is the point of all of these laws, then why do we allow truck drivers, who drive the most dangerous and hazardous vehicles on our roads, to use a CB radio?? If the states are going to crack down on people on their cell phones, then they should also outlaw CB radios. This really smacks of class discrimination...
I'm all for making driving safer for everyone, but what is the difference between talking on a cell phone and talking to a passenger in the car and smoking a cigarette or for that matter changing the station on the radio? You are still talking and using your hands for something other than steering the wheel. Now I do agree that people should not be texting while driving because you are taking your eyes off the road more often than anything else. If people have trouble driving while talking on a phone then that have a problem driving period! They haven't made it illegal for people to stop reading (IE. newspapers, maps, etc.) while driving. They haven't made it illegal for people to stop grooming themselves (IE. putting on makeup, shaving, etc.) while driving. The reason there are more accidents in today's society is because there are more drivers and more careless drivers on the road.
Don't blame the cell phone's as the problem, blame the careless drivers who don't pay attention while driving.
"That would be your driving. Wake up people. We are becoming a society of ignorant, rude, arrogant human beings who really don't give a crap about anybody but ourselves. It's time to wake up and take responsibility for our actions. We did without cell phones and electronic gadgets for how many years? " Wow, climb down off your soapbox now. As a women what about the ones who drive down the road putting on make-up, eating, reading or any number of other things? Should they go to jail as well? How about the parent trying to calm down a crying child by handing them something, should they go to jail?
The fact of the matter is phone or not some people are just easily distracted and bad drivers. Granted you add a phone and it gets worse. By your standards perhaps we should screen for those characteristics and make those people take the bus.
Please, someone explain to me how a 'hands-free' phone conversation is any more distracting than having a discussion with a passenger in the vehicle with you. What about those loud kids in the back seat? Are we so close to wanting government control in our entire lives? Let's get real....there are just more witless drivers on the road now than ever before. Oh, and by the way we want to protect them from us and themselves!
Doesn't anybody still beleive in personal responsibility? Survival of the fittest?
Come on Dawn - get real! Maybe mothers shouldn't be allowed to have their children in the car because the moms are usually looking in their rear view mirror to see what their children are doing or what they want. Moms usually turn around to face the children in the rear while driving - how safe is that!? There is nothing wrong with hands-free cell phones, I use one and it doesn't distract me any more than when I'm singing with my radio!!
First, let me say that I'm someone who does wish that everyone would stop using their phones while driving. I do not do my make up, eat, drink or use my phone in any form while driving.
As for not making everything political, whenever we're asking for laws on anything, safe or otherwise, it becomes a political thing. No way around that, it's ALL political because not everyone agrees. But we cannot legislate all of our troubles away. We can't keep asking for tougher laws on this, more rules on that. Sue that one for looking at me cross-eyed. People need to grow up and take responsibility for being safe. We keep asking the government for tighter leashes forgetting that eventually we're going to be tethered too.
So lets start with a look the fact that talking on the phone is not the worst of the safety hazards... I've seen someone changing his pants, yet I've heard of no law against it. Smoking, eating, drinking, or better yet that moron who's doing all of the above at the same time and nearly side-swiping the car in the next lane... I'd say they've got to be about equal to the hazards of hands-free phone use. And yet again, no laws and no ramifications until they actually cause an accident.
But here's the ultimate rub. Has anyone noticed that the study said that it was safest when "no one" was talking to the driver??? So why stop at banning cell phone? We should ban radios and CD's because the driver is listening to that rather than pay attention to the road. What about kids? They're incredibly distracting. A toddler screaming for french fries, or 2 kids fighting over "he's touching my side" is way too distracting for the driver. Actually, just hearing about their day takes the driver's mind off the road. Oh, and don't forget adult passengers either! They talk to the driver and expect a reply, so the driver is essentially having a "hands-free" conversation with the passenger... that's just like using a hands-free cell. In the end, let's just ban driving... it's really the only safe alternative.
Let's get a grip people.
Yep, and you shouldn't talk to your passengers either. Shouldn't tell your kids to be quiet in the back. Shouldn 't ask the co-pilot in the passenger seat if the next exit is the one the map says to take.
Heck, just forget about those nasty nuisances - GPS devices - they make too much noise. Oh, and don't forget to remove the radio from the cars and trucks too. No weather scanners either - no matter that you are going to drive into a tornado...just wing it - no talking or noise in the cars - you may be too stupid to handle it.
Grow up people. Next thing you know our 'Nanny state' is going to want to tell us when to go to bed and put monitors on your toothbrush to make sure you brush before bed. Don't forget, if you don't brush you will just cost us more for dental care with National Healthcare!!!
People like this need to get a life. I think we have more important things on the agenda.
Should we be talking on the phone while we're driving? No. But until we outlaw looking at a map while driving, or for that matter eating while we're driving, or drinking water or soda while we're driving, then we can't really justify eliminating the use of hands-free devices. There are a million things distracting things drivers do while actually driving so that they can avoid pulling over. Where do we draw the line? The best we can do is put limits on the types of actions we can be performing while driving. We can't outlaw everything, so compromises have to be made. Going hands-free is a fair compromise.
I'm not that worried about those talking on the cellphone. People who don't pay attention don't pay attention, and no law is going to change them. Where the real problem lies is when people driving are reading, writing notes, looking at a map, shaving, putting on make-up, or, the absolute worst, text messaging. I see people daily holding their phones on the wheel or in the air sending texts. It's idiotic, and dangerous. Of course here in California, where the hands-free law takes effect on July 1, there is NO prohibition against texting while driving. If it causes an accident, the texter will surely be liable, but man could the CHP have written tickets for texts.
Try flying some time, as a pilot! The problem is not whether someone is talking on a hands-free device, it's who we let drive in the first place. In England, it takes 40 hours of driving instruction before someone can get a license. People can be banned (have the license suspended) for much lessor offenses, or go to classes. The tolerance for speeding over there is zero miles per hour over, none. Most places here, you can be well over 11mph over the limit before you even worry about a ticket. People with little sight and hearing are allowed to drive, as well as people with little to no driving experience. If we ban hands-free devices, we'd better ban radios, drinks, cigarettes, and any discussion with passengers. Also GPS devices and cars without heads-up displays - you might look away from the road for a second! Instead, require that people know how to drive and continue to practice safe driving habits. You should need more than a face to get a drivers' license!
I totally agree with you, Dawn! I can't count how many times I've almost been run off the road by someone talking on a cell phone (whether the actual device or hands free!). Let's keep in mind that the average person cannot MULTI-TASK like a pro...let alone do it while driving! My state (Washington) is one of the two implementing the new law. And yes, it needs to include hands-free talkers. If a call is that important, pull off the road until you are done. I, for one, do not wish to become one of the countless victims of such a selfish act. To me, it is like someone that thinks they are okay to drink and drive. That is my classification of the topic.
Hello,
So putting on on Make-up, or eating a candy bar or looking at the navigation screen, or heaching for a cup of coffee or a drink of water, or even yelling at the kids in the back seat, isn't in the same area of a diversion from driving as using a cell Phone?
Just think, pretty soon you won't be able to take a breath without an OK from the authorities.
These people are a joke, and people like you do not even know where this is coming from do you?
Do you believe that you should HAVE to wear a seat belt, and can be stopped and you are BREAKING a LAW by not using one? You think that this is right?
And it's OK to ride a motorcycle without a Helmet?
I believe in wearing a seat belt, and a helmet when riding, but I need no law or Government to force me to do so and it is a scam and a sham when they pass laws about seat belts. It is none of their business if I do or I don't,,,of course at least not to me. Who would possibly care about this issue, and what is the motovation? Do you think that they really care about you and me? Ha.
Then they have TV commercials that state, "Police are CRACKING Down on people who don't use their seat belt." We will be looking for you and you WILL Get caught!"
Since WHEN is not wearing a seat belt such a hidious CRIME? It is if you are an insurance company. Who do you think pays for these commercials and would you believe a kick back to Local and state police for every ticket written? Don't be stupid. Have you ever seen an actual VOTE on this issue to the people affected?
All of these RULES, seat-belt, Cell phone, manditory Insurance, law after law after law, comes from: Da Daaa,,,The Insurance Lobby. Who do you think is behind Click-it or Ticket?
If you really knew what Corporations and Government are working together against you on,,,fascist state, you remember Nazi Germany don't you, in other words,,you would not be making ignorant statements like the one you made in this forum. Plus once again, you and the rest of Americans who just let the Government dictate what you can and cannot do, then make up a BS reason for it, wake up.
Stop Government from medling into everything we do. They already can spy on us without a Warrant. What's next?
And stop complaining about gas prices. We are par of the problem. 100 pound women driving 5,000 trucks to work, SUV's etc, ect
Wake up. people in Europe and Asia really do appear to be smarter than we are.
You can see it in the way Americans handle themselves, Rude and Crude.
Bruce
Very well put Dawn! I had a woman drinking coffee AND talking on a cell phone rear end me on my way to work. All it takes is one time to be distracted to cause a deadly accident. Is it really worth it?
I will be talking in my car. Whether it is to a passenger or singing along to the radio or to a wireless device it makes no difference. They should ban using a Kleenex in the car too. Just let the boogers fly everywhere.
I'm so happy for the cell phone ban in California!!!!!!! I sold my Ford Explored and drive around on a Vespa now. People on cell phones scare and have allmost killed me many times. And when you combine the lady putting on make-up and talking on the phone while switching lanes, you get the picture.
If you have a screaming baby in the back of your car, PULL OVER!!!! I'm sorry lazy mothers if you cant take an extra minute to pull over and would rather reach back and not see what you're doing you're going to get you and your screaming baby killed. Bring a friend on trips or use the Voice over on your GPS-yes they can talk to you "turn left at next street" you don't hold your radio to your head while driving so you can't use that one, you can hold onto a cig and still grasp the wheel so that one isn't going to work either.
Be careful in California, I've installed a Camera on my bike and have sold 50 others that take clear pictures of License Plates and most of the time perfect shots of the person on the phone, I will be sending those to the Police and they have informed me that they will enforce and Ticket all pictures taken.
Have fun, Hope to see you talking on the road. :)
Thank-you very much I agree with what you said the penalty such be very harsh. All of a sudden eveyone wants to act as they have to be on the phone while driving give it a break already. I believe hands free is just as bad, because you are still concentrating on the conversation and not trhe road so I hope they do band all of it. when i am driving i do not answer until i can get to a place where i can call them back. I just wanted you to know that I appreciated your input on the question at hand so THANK-YOU very much.
What are they going to do next ban talk period? Why not a $200 fine for talking to the person in the passenger seat.
You should all listen to CIGARO
We should all take are cell phones and give them to the Iraq militants so they can crash and die and we won't have to worry about them any more. Just a thought.
How about the truck drivers ,they have been talking on cb's for years.Should we ban that? How about dispatch for policeman,should we ban that?They're not above the law.Lets stop blaming cell phones for our bad drivers,rock music for our problem teens,and start blaming corporate/government greed for the gas prices.
Dawn,
You sound like an idiot! Your premise for penalizing drivers using communications devices makes no sense and will never stand up to logical scrutiny.
I find women drivers fooling with their hair and carrying on conversations with passengers while gesturing wildly, more frightening than people talking on cell phones.
Some people CAN multitask. Some can't chew gum and blink at the same time. You need to get a grip on reality and back off your tendency to throw the baby out with the bath water.
whats next sing to the music or having music in the car to begin with or how about making it illegal to talk to your passengers use commom sense. each Law that passes strips we the people of one more right. where does it end?
So you are saying that eveytime my kids are crying I should pull over? Are you mad? If I did that I would be sitting on the side of the road for hours. Pulling over does not make a crying baby stop crying. All it does is put me in a dangerous situation because I'm parked on the side of a busy freeway with all my kids in the car. It has nothing to do with being lazy, it has to do with common sense.
I will also say that talking on the phone is less distracting than eating, or trying to find your way while lost. And when I'm in the car with my husband my conversations with him are no less distracting than if I were talking to him on the phone. When he's driving I don't watch the road, I look at him. I don't believe that conversations on a phone while using hands-free devices are any more distracting than thinking to yourself while driving. You can just as easily get lost in thought as you can get lost in a conversation.
talking on a cell phone is more than multitasking. Multitasking is usually one job at a time. On the Cell you call this mutitasking and it is not. One devise for mutipple tasks. Multitasking is usually one device with one job. Your incorrect. Your not thinking rational and just blowing steam.
It's easy enough to see the impact of this without the sarcasm. There is a HUGE difference between driving with a phone held up to your ear and a hands free set (which in fact is like talking to someone in the car). I live in Florida and it is amazing to me that the ban does not exist here. While speaking with a handset held by a hand to your ear, you lose peripheral vision, depth perception on side with phone, the ability to quickly turn your head in the direction the phone is in and the necessary reflex time. In essence you are blind to that side. PLEASE CONTACT your legislators to make this requirement law.
In reply to driving handsfree and the fines imposed. Are we to say that car pooling is eligal because just as we speak to someone in the same vehicle with us we talk on the cell phone hands free. and with passengers we tend to look at the person who speaks just because of the human nature in us. We are to look at the job at hand is right but lets be practical police,fire figthers and other emergengy worker all drive at verry high speeds and talk on the rado set all in the saake of doing there job and if someone have to spend jail time for talking hands free and driving then all should get jail time while driving and talking cell phone or no cell phone. and im a fire figther.
Sure, Ill run with there idea that cell phone holding is a distraction, but trying to say that conversation itself is the distraction is the result of someone not being educated by any means.
If you can say that conversation is the distraction then you must remove any passengers from the vehicle as well and if not remove them then duct tape there mouths shut, the radio, anything shiny, planes cannot fly with messages nor can blimps be allowed to fly over head. Shut down air ports that fly over highways like DFW. No eating in the car, no doing make up like women tend to do alot of. Women cannot be beautiful in other vehicles as this may cause a distraction for men and lesbians and visa versa. No news paper or anything reading material.
In fact, how about this government and all of its retards in office vote that we put head harnesses in cars that force the driver of a vehicle to only look straight and eyes can only look left right and up at the rear view.
I am certain that with all of these counter measures taken we will have safe roads by next year if action is taken now.
Sincerely,
Our elected officials and citizens have way to much @!$%#ing time on there hands and need to start fighting real issues not bull@!$%# like this and people need to wake up and have some common @!$%#ing sense about life and stop letting people decide for them like a parent to there child what is right and wrong. Distractions are an every day part of life real focus and discipline is from within and cannot be altered by something like a @!$%#ing hand held device or ear device or anything listed above. Drunk Driving is Jail time NOT CELL PHONES
That is all.
I must say, I have had some close calls while driving, but with a Whopper from Burger King in my hand..Not my cell phone. Lets look at the problem, people driving not paying attention!
Cell phones don't kill people, bad drivers kill people!
The problem with cell phone driving with many people is like chewing gum and walking at the same time, your easily distracted. Especially in South Florida where I drive. Don't get me wrong I don't think talking on a cell phone without a hands free device should be legal, there are enough idiots on the road without using a cell phone. I drive for a living and the cell phone is our communication tool and we use a hands free devise and it is much less distracting, as brought up in other comments it's really no differant than talking to a passanger in the same vehicle. How many of you eat while your driving, what's worse? The cell phone ban without a hands free device is long overdue, I see first hand every day what people drive like with a cell phone glued to there ear.
Are you kidding me?! This law had to be proposed by a Democrat. I would bet my paycheck. Only a Democrat thinks that you can solve problems by aggressively attacking the symptoms instead of the actual root of the problem and thereby making a bunch of laws. Other's have pointed out that there is no difference between talking to a passenger in the car and talking on a hands-free cell phone device.
I'm going to put my Democrat hat on and list some laws to make driving safer:
1. No talking (on the phone or to anyone in the vehicle)
2. No singing
3. No listening radios or other audio devices
4. No looking behind you to check on your kids (autmatic license suspension)
5. No drinking
6. No eating
7. No chewing gum
8. No smoking
9. No looking at the scenery to the side of the vehicle
10. No sneezing (pull over to the shoulder and put out safety flares before sneezing)
11. No coughing (pull over to the shoulder and put out safety flares before coughing)
12. Need I say No putting on make-up or no shaving?
13. No reading anything but a road sign (pull over if you are a slow reader - and don't forget your safety flares)
14. No adjusting your seat
15. No scratching any itches (you know the routine, pull over)
16. No adjusting of any vehicle settings (mirrors included - pull over)
17. No blinking too long
18. No removing of either of your hands from the wheel unless it is to signal or change gears
19. No THINKING about anything other than driving so as not to destract (I propose that the government funds scientific research to develop a think monitor so that we can make sure people aren't thinking about things when they are driving)
If everyone follows these 19 simple rules, the world will be a safer place. Please contact me for other tips for safer living such as how never get hurt physically or emotional. I'll give a secret preview... (Sit at home in a dark room with padding and don't go outside, have your meals sanitized and don't move too quickly. Basically, if nobody did anything then we will all be safe) Enjoy your life! :-)
Signed,
Logical
Well said, Dawn.
I think the problem is that there are too many people out there who cannot handle talking on their cell phones while they are driving. Haven't you seen them? They're the ones who look like they are sitting on their couch at home talking on the phone. They are either swerving in their lane or going 35 mph in a 55 mph zone. When I see someone driving like a bonehead, I assume that they are talking on the phone. Most of the time, I am right. Some people get too involved in their phone conversations and it distracts them from driving. I do not believe that changing the radio station or talking to someone in the car would constitute the same problem, unless a person cannot do that and still focus on their driving. Hands-free or not, some people just can't handle it, so it should be illegal.
I personaly have tried both options with and without hands free. I never believed there was a difference until I went hands free. There is a difference you tend to concentrate on the call more and holding the phone when not hands free. I noticed when hands free it was like listening to the radio or someone in the vehicle. I tend to pay more attention to the road and actually have to have the person repeat what they said because of this. I do feel that teens under 21 should have a all out ban on use while driving.
Please! Those people putting on their make-up and shaving are a lot worst! They not only use their hands but have to look in the mirror also......... If they are going to outlaw cell phone use then everything should be outlawed.
I think there should be a law against eating cheseburgers while you drive also
Wow do you work for the insurance industry that will profit tremendously for this? Or maybe you work for a cell phone company that will profit from this or is it an automaker? How bout you do your research and realize that this legislation has been lobbied for for many years now in my very own Washington state with millions of dollars by none other than Prudential insurance. In fact The Washington State Patrol stated just yesterday on every local Seattle TV 5 p.m. news that less than 1% of accidents are caused by cell phone usage. Did you know that more than 5% are caused by eating according to that very same insurance company lobbying for this bill? I guess its not morally ok or politically correct to tell people to stop eating; or driving gas guzzling war promoting SUV's and mini vans that are so big they can't see how many other vehicles they force out of the other lane when they carelessly change lanes. Or I guess its not ok to tell people to stop irresponsibly pooping out children and stuffing them into their cars distracting them from driving and causing accidents.
I live 15 miles south of Seattle and often commute on 3 different freeways from my home to Seattle and back TWICE a day 3-4 x's a week. I witness Washington State Patrol officers using both hands to enter text into their blackberries while driving 60 mph on I 5 daily. Who is gonna police that? And don't get me started on them using both hands to enter information into their official computers while driving.
Do you not want your Doctor answering an emergency call about your healthcare so that an insurance company can make a profit?
Every insurance company makes millions from this legislation. They can then tack on "points" to your driving record for every "secondary offense" you earn on any ticket you receive and force you to pay increased premiums for 3 years after each offense. Every cell phone company will have increased sales of headsets or completely new phones to people that don't have headset capable phones. The auto manufacturer's are pressing selling the bluetooth package with every new car they try to sell you now.
It's about money people!
I hope for every commie socialist person that wants this legislation you realize that there is a responsible person out there who hasn't had a ticket in years and talks for miles every day while driving and talking on their cell phone like myself. I hope someone takes some freedom you love away in order to not change anything and profit some company that paid millions to get a piece of legislation enacted into law. I hope you wake up and realize that there is already a law in all 50 states called inattentive driving that these 1% of accidents could already be ticketed with and thats a primary offense and is a much larger fine.
America Land of the Free? They should rename it land of the irresponsible overlegislated big government.
Sincerely,
Tim Miller Kent WA
This point only has merit if there has been some study comparing talking on your phone to talking to a passenger. If it weren't for the split second hitting the send button, dialing, etc. there really is no difference. Talking while driving is distracting period. I personally don't think that hands-free makes much difference because it's replying to emails that really has me in a dangerous position. Do they have hands-free email? That device might save some lives.
Hands-free devices can't be any more distracting than having a conversation with your passenger while driving. Your hands are free to do the job they need to do, you're talking to someone that you can't even LOOK at (think about it... it's probably LESS distracting than conversing with a passenger). Just because some people are distracted drivers in general doesn't mean it's as a result of the hands-free cellphone. Now handheld, that's another story....
Hands free makes a big difference. I need 2 hands to drive safely. Banning blue tooth\Hands free is tantamount to making it ILLEGAL to drive while drinking some water or picking your nose. Perhaps taking a deep breath while driving should be made illegal. Perhaps talking altogether should be owlawed. Imagine all the arguments that would be avoided. Next thing you know farting will be outlawed in elevators. Excessive speed is more dangerous and we are not giving out enough tickets to younger drivers who speed.
I suppose you NEVER do anything else while your driving? People get distracted all the time while driving, and do other things while they drive. If you have kids in the car, If your drinking something while your driving, If your a smoker. Have you NEVER taken a drink while you were driving? Talking handsfree is no different than talking with a passenger sitting right next to you.
Any one moving their mouth while Driving go directly to Jail....Come on people. Handsfree I can see but no talking sounds like somethng from the Catholic School I went to in the Elementary years.....People need to take responsibility for their actions...bad drivers should get punished..agreed! But where do we stop next...no XM radio either because it will casue you to sing more? Where do you draw the line?
OK, if you don't think that people should have any kind of cell phone conversations, including hands free, then why should you be able to carry on a conversation with anyone in your car while you are driving?
You cannot regulate distracted driving. Talking on the cell (handsfree or not) is just one of many distractions available to us while driving, no different from talking to a passenger drinking your coffee or picking up the pacifier for your child who dropped it in the backseat. What's next, isolate the drivers compartment from the rest of the car? If a driver causes an accident (distracted or not) then they should be held accountable but to criminalize an activity because it COULD be distracting is going to far. Should we next outlaw car radio's? People might sing along to the music!!! We need to take some personal responsibility. If you can talk on the phone and still drive safely, great. If you cannot concentrate on both, either pull over or don't take the call.....
Just my opinion.
I think we have come to an age where people can multi-task and organize better than any other age. that being said, I do think that hands free is dangerous. Certainly not as dangerous as all our past mobile communication efforts. Do I think it should be illegal? Not at all! if we want to target an area that has been over-looked far to long, let's look mat drive-thru restaurants. for years I have watched people get fatter due to the ridiculous conviencance of drive-thrus. Let's look past health, and target the great mass of people that eat with both hands, dig thru the bag for lost fries, and let's not forget the world trash can that was created by throwing bags and cups out the window. Talk about that on your hands free!
Good Grief - and will we be arrested for talking to our passenger next? I think I am more concerned about road rage with guns than I am about cell phones....
Yes, our society has become rude and self-centered; hmmmmm who raised those kids anyway??
I know for a fact that many drivers cannot maintain complete control of their vehicles while talking to passengers. My daughter was recently rear-ended by such a person. While there is no way to regulate this sort of inattention, aside from reminding all drivers that they are required by law to be in complete control of their vehicle, we certainly can regulate cell phones. They should not be permitted while driving - hands free or otherwise.
I agree cell phones being used while driving should be banned. Hands free devices are fine for those that are business persons traveling, or to get directions, (note I do pull over to get my directions) but for personal gossiping etc no. I have kids and their safety is more important than some jerks fake social life.
You know that pilots fly airplanes talk on radios all the time. Hey, they have hundreds of lives in their hands as well as a microphone button. They manage to get it together and multi task because they are trained to do that. I'm not talking about just airline pilots but private pilots as well.
Hands free is okay. The bigger issue to me is they lack of training that goes with operating a cel phone in a vehicle. If you use one while driving you are responsible for continuing to drive safely and accountable for your conduct. Drivers have been in accidents changing CD's (my son wrecked my car doing that stunt). However, I have seen no movement to outlaw CD players in cars.
Texting should be illegal - period. Using any device that constitutes a distraction while driving should be illegal. However, the reality is that passengers talk to drivers and drivers talk to passengers all the time - no hands involved. The cel phone is a new cultural addition and we need to manage it correctly and safely. Make cel phone use and etiquette part of driver education.
I have to wonder if all the people who are against cell phones while driving, actually own a cell phone or is it jealousy talking? I do not talk while driving, however I have occassionally had to answer an important call from one of my children. TALKING on the cell phone is no more distracting than talking to someone sitting beside you, unless you are trying to smoke or put on your makeup at the same time. TEXTING or PLAYING GAMES while driving are a lot more dangerous as you have to take your eyes off the road. If your argument is that now both hands are not on the wheel, then put your Big Mac down, forget your cola or coffee, put the map away, which by the way is more distracting than just talking. I have to wonder what is next? Arrest me because you see my mouth moving as I talk to my kids in the back seat?
If that is the logic being used to justify this case then conversation with another individual in a car is just as distracting. So, on that logic passengers should also be banned, radios, gps devices, makeup, pets, children, etc. When will this stop, saving one life, give me a break, if you care about saving lives go to your local shelter and help a drug addict turn their life around and stop bothering mine and everyone elses!
I'm against cell phones while driving and my only phone is a cell phone. Look, there have been many tests / studies done: If you are holding a conversation with someone in the car you can mentally "put them on hold" when you need to pay attention to something on the road; you can't do that when you are talking on the phone. Studies have shown that having even a hands free conversation affects your driving the same as being legally drunk.
There is no need for this childish, selfish behavior; if you need to talk pull over and talk; otherwise just let it go to voice mail and answer it later.
BTW; the worse I have ever seen is this woman passing me at least 10mph over the speed limit with a cell phone held to her head in the left hand; a PDA in her right - I think she was steering with her legs - in a big 4 door super duty truck with 4 rear wheels (duallies).
This may sound nice, but if it is distracting to talk to someone on the phone whether it is hands free or not, wouldn't it be just as distracting to talk to someone in the car? Should we then make it illegal to drive with other people in the car since you could be talking to them and be distracted? As drivers we each have a huge responsibility, seems like we are often forgetting that. Instead of trying to ban everything, maybe we should should just start holding people responsible for their actions!
Ever driven with a crying baby in the back of the car? Or worse, more than one crying baby in the back seat? Holding a cell phone has nothing on that situation for level of distraction. If they're going to outlaw using the phone while driving, they better make any passengers at all illegal as well. Especially children.
I'm getting sick of the nanny state. Let's try this: if you cause an accident due to negligence of ANY kind, how about you get prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law?
I THINK THEY SHOULD MAKE THE DRIVING TEST ALOT HARDER LIKE GERMANY!!!!!!!! THEY MAKE ALL THESE RULES TO STOP AND PULL YOU OVER TO GIVE A SUMMONS AND MAKE MONEY AND TRHEY TELL YOU ITS FOR YOUR WELL BEING THEY DOINT CARE ABOUT YOU. I CANT BELEIVE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A LICENSE.!!!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE IN USA DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DRIVE ......... END OF STORY....
It is not the hands free device that is the problem - it's the driver. I see plenty of terrible driving from people without the hands free device. Usually, its the person who is trying to have a long conversation on the cell, drive with one hand, listen to the radio and read a map all at the same time.
I like my hands free. With a touch I can answer the phone. I let the person know that I am driving, keep the conversation short and if it needs my full attention to please let me pull over and I will call them back.
The problem are the people who feel a need to be connected at all times. Not neccessary, it is a helpful device to get a short message from one person to another. Ie., I'm running late, I'll be there shortly, can you stop at the store and pick up such and such.
Personally, having the State tell me how to live my life is a bit much. BTW, I have been driving for over 20 years and I have never hit anyone, though I have been run into by others. Strangely enough they were not talking on a cell. Most times it was aggressive driving and / or showing off.
Dawn, you're absolutely right. Wake up people. Get off the d. phone before you kill someone. Off the phone, be considerate of others. Please.
So if talking on a hands free is to distracting then you shouldn't talk to your passengers either? This is the logical extreme of the whole cell phone argument. Where does it end?
OMG! there are worst issues then driving and talking. How about the kids who drive 100 mph only to belong to the Centry Club. How about playing chicken. How about the blind guy who was driving by commands from the back seat. How about the 12 year old kid who drove to the store because he didn't want to walk a mile. The list is a million miles long. Where does it end? Get out of my life and let me drive!
You're serious, aren't you!??!!??!! Next you'll say that all speaking to or by the driver needs to stop. Sound-proof dividers will be mandatory around all driver's seats unless everyone uses duct tape on their mouths. No radio unless it's only instrumental and soft. Rap needs to be just banned altogether. OK, I'll give you that one! Consider this - Some people shouldn't be allowed to do certain things for obvious reasons. How about a mandatory all-purpose safety class? The more sections you can pass, the more things you're allowed to do. The weakest ones get what they deserve - nothing. The strongest - cell phone, drivers' license, gun permit, motorcycle license, marriage license, etc. Think how safe we'd all be with stupid people basically banned from all the priveleges the rest of us EARN!
The reason talking on a cell phone is different from all the other distracting things you can do while driving is that it is a different neurological function. Talking on the cell phone involves both receptive and expressive language function, the most complex processing our brain does. Talking on a phone (compared to conversing with a passenger) focuses your auditory attention and filters out other stimuli in your environment, such as a red light ahead of you. If your conversation is no more interesting than, say, adjusting the radio, then you would have a pretty dim social life. Talking on the phone is neurologically different, just as watching a baseball game is very different than playing in the game. Conversing on a cell phone takes over a much greater amount of your brain's processing compared to other more passive activities. So, it is not surprising that cell phone use causes more accidents than listening to the radio. And for those who object to making cell phone use illegal, why not argue that we should be allowed to choose for ourselves whether or not to stop at a red light?
What about having a conversation with someone who is in the car with you?? Or turning around to yell at your kids in the backseat? Are we going to ban passengers now? This is just ridiculous.
Dawn says;
I think driving while talking on your cell phone or hands free device should be illegal altogether
Insane.
Problem with ppl like you Dawn is you want to regulate every aspect of living. Logical in Texas (#1.46) did a good job of listing other distractions that should be illegal. How many of those are you guilty of?
people are idiots. they think there conversations are more important than paying attention to the road.where i live about 1/3 of drivers on thier cell phones with phone up at their ears and the police just ignore it.
Please...I'm a professional driver. Over 2.6 million miles. Holding a phone and trying to drive?...very dangerous, distracting, ect. But hands free is no more problematic than speaking to a passenger. Less so actually, because your eyes never leave the road when you are on the phone. And you have to continually monitor your situation, the conversation ends at the slightest hint of a situation. When radios were introduced to automobiles years ago, the same concerns were voiced. People adapt. Professionals have been talking on radios and driving for years, yet we manage to do a pretty good job of being safe out there.
Please! The law is just plain idiotic. You're going to limit people from talking on a phone but not limit people texting, reading, putting on makeup, shaving, eating, etc, etc? it's quite stupid. Some people are very considerate about talking on the phone, and sometimes they only answer while driving during emergency situations. Basically the law is trying to protect people from being idiots. Such as the coffee cups now have to warn people that contents may be hot, that cigarettes may kill you, to use cross walks instead of jay walking. If people in general were not such idiots then we wouldn't feel the need to support stupid laws like this one.
I drive in the cities and the suburbs everyday. I put on an average of 200 miles. I am not an authourity, but I have seen enough to draw a pretty good conclusion on cell phone use. For all of those saying explain to me why...
You have a passenger you are talking to - she can see you veer off into the other lane. He can say, Christ! You just cut that guy off and you didn't even know it! Throw text messaging in there and now you're not even watching.
The point is the popularity is with the cell phone. Putting on make-up,
shaving is stupid enough. Most people don't do it. Many people talk on
the cell - constantly! Almost every idiot that affects the rest of the traffic
is not paying attention. Most of them are on the cell.
The SOONER that this country passes laws to keep people from using their F-N cell phones, the better off we will be. Got a call to make, pull over and make it. Got a call coming in, either pull over and SEARCH for it AFTERWARDS and return the call or LEAVE IT BE! Nothing pisses me off more than these people be CONTROLLED by the phone. When it rings, these people's brains go on vacation. I've seen people swerve across 3 lanes of traffic while looking for a ringing phone that slipped under the seat. People who get calls while driving, more often than not, stare straight ahead and usually drop their speed by 10mph or more (Which could be safer, but the DIS-Courteous A-holes are in the Hi-speed lanes and screwing up the flow of traffic). The worst part is, they don't give a RATS-A$$!
On top of ALL this, they don't use directionals when they have a cell phone in their hand either AND use the road as a GO-KART track. Using signals is a fundamental of driving and YOU ALL were tested on this before you could get a license! Yet it is the first thing that we are ALLOWED to forget (until the Police have a quota to fill and conveniently remember again). God forbid a bulb has blown when you get a vehicle inspected "That has to work", but ALAS, you don't have to use them! They're just for show right?!
IGNORANCE is NOT BLISS people!
Wake the F up and care for your fellow ! That is the only way that this Country will turn around! Lose the selfishness and gain some courtesy and respect for others!
Regardless of all these other arguments, the fact is this ISSUE is a bad one! In CT, they don't allow for many distractions at all, not eating or drinking coffee OR cell phone usage. PERIOD! $110 ticket for the phone alone in CT! I LUV THAT! If it were up to me, I would also give ANYONE throwing a cigarette butt out the window, the same ticket as for dumping a pile of trash! Whatever the fine is (I've seen many diff. ones from $75 to $500), these Litter Bugs/Fire Starters will think twice about flicking a BUTT, when they have a $500 to contend with. Just sick of having these DISGUSTING things bounce off my windshield OR my arm while driving down the Highway.
Please, someone explain to me how a 'hands-free' phone conversation is any more distracting than having a discussion with a passenger in the vehicle with you. What about those loud kids in the back seat?
With actual people in the car, communication is easier and shorter, it requires less attention. There's more information available and it's easier process.
In person, you can read body language, you can hear nuance in voice better, etc. Those things make a huge difference in the amount of concentration it takes to communicate.
Whereas on the phone, one has to strain a good amount more to understand what's being communicated in the absence of other cues.
Consider how difficult it is to detect sarcasm, or any emotion while reading stuff here or via email, it's the same basic principle.
I've seen a few posts here asking how driving while using a cell phone can be dangerous? I mean, what makes usage of a phone a special danger outweighing changing a CD, talking to a passenger, etc.
Well, I don't know for sure.
But here's something for you to consider, and it happens all the time. In 2006, a 16-year-old girl from Lakewood, Washington pulled out from a parking lot into traffic while on the cell phone. The trucker later told police the girl made eye contact with him, but never reacted, not even batting an eye...right up to the moment his 16-wheeler slammed into the side of her car, killing her instantly. He never even had a chance to stop. She pulled right out in front of him, in apparent la-la land. This could be YOUR daughter, or son.
I have a job that requires me to do a lot of local driving. Dealing with people on the road who are on their phones is a lot like dealing with the mentally challenged. You just give them their space and watch out, hoping not to become involved in their world, which could be an accident at the next intersection.
I've had them cross over the center line on me several times, and they were only aware they almost killed both of us when I honked the horn.
Last year, I saw a lady on a cell phone turn right in front of a guy who was making a legal turn. Her van was totaled, but she was unhurt. The other driver only got angry when he got out of his car and walked up to her to exchange information...and she was still on the phone.
Get off your stupid phone and drive your car, folks. That's two tons of steel flying down the road with you at the controls. Pay attention.
After 35 years of marriage we still talk.
What is the difference between us talking and talking on the phone.
Mind you, I still pull over to talk on the cell phone.
There is a limit to understanding.
The limit is being crossed.
Human Factors testing is showing that the difference is mind-set. We end up with many people who become telephone talkers who are also driving a car instead of being a driver who is also talking on the phone. Other tasks mentioned; eating, singing, changing a radio station, etc. are usually short term diversions and take less attention. When the main focus becomes the phone conversation (or any other of the things mentioned), the driving becomes the diversion and safety is compromised. Many people can successfully and safely talk on a phone, CB, police radio, even other passengers, as long as the driving task is the focus and the conversation (or other task) is secondary.
Because of higher gas prices, more people are turning to bicycling and walking. These folks are extremely vulnerable to cars. We need to dramatically limit the use of cell phones by drivers. A conversation can wait; an accident can severy cripple or kill. It's just not worth it.
People biking, walking, roller blading generally have their ears to either a MP3, IPod, or cell phone. Most times they also don't look before crossing, cross in the center, and just figure they can go whereever because the motor veh will stop on a dime. Its not always that easy. And as far as people becoming rude, etc and only out for themselves - they aren't becoming - this whole united state is only out for themselves.
Really! Gas prices are coming into this now?!? Just as many cyclers and pedestrians break traffic regulations that endanger drivers. A guy on a bicycle going past a red light, a guy late for work crossing before the signal changes, a group of kids jay walking...these things endanger drivers just as much as drivers endanger those guys and yet because those people aren't in vehicles it's not enforced. Cell Phones Do Not Cause Accidents!!!!......Cell Phone or No Cell Phone, Careless People Cause Accidents!
I don't think that bicyles should be allowed on the streets. They don't pay taxes on their bikes for the roads. The roads were built for "motor" vehicles, not bicyles. As far as cell phones effecting driving, a driver having a conversation with anyone in their vehicle is the same thing as a driver having a conversation with a person via a hands free device.
Daryl -
1) The roads were built for "motor" vehicles, not bicyles.(SIC)
No. Check with your state DMV, roads were built for everyone; Freeways are motor vehicles only. Roads are usually built from SALES taxes or income taxes.
2) As far as cell phones effecting driving, a driver having a conversation with anyone in their vehicle is the same thing as a driver having a conversation with a person via a hands free device.
Also, No. Studies have shown that you have to concentrate on a phone conversation more than a person conversation and a person can see when you are busy concentrating on the road where a phone can not see. Talking on the phone degrades your driving the same as being legally drunk.
Eriq,
Sorry, statement #1 completely agree with. But by your logic on statement #2 applying the same studies, if you are cooking in the kitchen and talking on a hands free set then you should not collect on your insurance policy and should be charged with some sort of arson if a fire breaks out.
Mark-Anthony says, in part:
'Cell Phones Do Not Cause Accidents!!!!......Cell Phone or No Cell Phone, Careless People Cause Accidents!'
Sorry, Mark but cells DO cause accidents. Several major studies have shown that being on a cell while driving makes you about as impaired behind the wheel as being drunk. So, your statement makes as much sense as saying 'alcohol does not cause accidents, careless people cause accidents'.
How long will it be before they are texting on their bicycles?
Are you kidding me??? The states that pass this law should also pass laws making illegal to eat in the car, smoke in the car, drink beverages in the car and (I'm sure you've done this Dawn-308170) put make-up on in the car. When are we going to stand up to "Big Brother" and make some changes that lead to us getting fewer freedoms taken away. This isn't a national, state or even local crisis. People are killed every day by motorists who are irresponsible. The results of testing on this matter are inconsistent at best. Why don't we determine better training and "rehabilitation" for bad drivers instead of targeting one tiny percentage of traffic accidents and making that action illegal. Ridiculous...absolutely ridiculous. Leave to the liberals to continue taking away the rights of the citizens they "represent".
Stop turning these important issues into politics. The issue is cell phones. Using them while driving can kill. That is the issue. You are probably the kind that thinks anything should be allowed as long as it is fun. You need to grow up.
Hey Josh....think of it as a public safety issue....not that "Big Brother" is telling you what to do. Hope you check out what I had to say on this subject....I have had the unique opportunity to not only witness this first hand...but I used to get to go to accident scenes and investigate why I have either someone that is severly injured or dead in a car. Lately it has been as a result of talking on a cell phone. It's not pretty.
It's not the liberals... Stupid! Its the people who are selfish and careless enough to put themselves first behind the wheel when they should be paying attention to driving.
Liberals are responsible for the problems of society today. I'll bet your a Rush Linbaugh guy too...
Please tell me how you have a 'right' to drive unsafely. I have to, to my great heartbreak, drive 27.3 miles one way to work every day. (That's changing soon - moving!). Every day I see people talking on their phones - or even typing on their Blackberry! And every day I see avoidable ridiculous accidents and you bet there's a connection between them. I guarantee if you hit me, sir, you and your insurance company are going to figure out VERY fast that your 'rights' to drive unsafely come at a great cost.
Excellent Josh - I see more eaters and make artist than phone users.
Good point, but don't start labeling loss of freedoms laws as liberal. Cell phones do significantly distract drivers, anyone who has driven even a little has dealt with it too many times. Yet, your point has some validity. Hey, if the highway patrol did their job and significantly reduced speeding and other all to frequent driving blunders maybe this would be a non-issue.
red eagle - relax. Insurance folks can curb the habit by putting restrictions on policies.
My company does it. We are required to sign a waiver before being issued a vehicle, they have specific rules on what you can and cannot do while operating a company vehicle.
Lets leave the kids at home too. They are the biggest distraction of all.
Hey Josh... you are obviously confused. Liberals are not the culprits. Personally I find the constant use of cell phones whether in the car, bank, grocery store or any other public place to be rude and obnoxious. It demonstrates the deertioration of the simple rules of common courtesy. I was in a restaurant last night and an ignorant lady HAD to answer her cell phone (despite the fact she was sitting with 3 other people) to have a mindless gabfest despite the outright rudeness of the behavior to her dining companions. It is people like you the "SELF PROCLAIMED ULTRA ELITE" (S.P.U.E., make me want to SPEW). Cell phone use should be in the same category with cigarette smoking and prohibited in public places. What did you do before the invention of cell phones? Stop at every phone booth to continue your conversation? I think not. When I am in the store, sitting down to have a meal I have no desire to listen to people like you gab like "old biddies" about mindless drivel. Stay home and call the 2 people that might care about you... stop interrupting my life and risking my life because you can't survive without the cell phone stuck to your ear. Maybe when you get a radiation induced tumor you will stop. Cell phones should be for emergencies only. PERIOD!
Josh,
When I drive I have an unselfish responsibility as a human being (not liberal or conservative - don't hide behind political label to side step your human responsibility) and to society to be as safe as possible. I never want to be that person, that causes injury to someone else because I could not nor would not remain off my cell phone for a certain amount of time. Cell phones are addictive (they are the new meth or crack - people can't walk down the street without using one) , some people's self-esteem are tied to a cell phone. Years ago some people would actually "fake" being on the cellphone, just to give the appearence of being important - how sad !. There are people Josh who are compelled to use a cell phone so badly that they use them at funerals, in hospitals, movies and other venues where respect "should" be given - how disrespectful is that. If anyone ever causes an automobile accident with me, and they were distracted on a frivolus cell phone, some lawyer is going to have one heck of a payday. One question I need to know what are people really talking about that would cause such blatant disrespect for others ?
"Leave it to the liberals to take away the rights...." UH, the "Liberals"??? Would those be the same liberals that believe in censorship of porn (Republicans), banning gay marriage (Republicans), giving up civil liberties (i.e. due process, etc..) for an ounce of security (Republicans), the list goes on and on. Save the "Liberal" montra. You idiots don't even know what "Liberal" means. Clowns like Rush Limbaugh have taken the word "Liberal" and made it equal to "your rights being taken away." More rights have been taken away in the past 8 years than at anytime in our history and look who's been in power, it hasn't been the liberals. Civil liberties were always expanded under democrats. The very reason we have an african american running for president today is because of the ground work on civil liberties that was laid down by democrats (i.e. "Liberals") Conservatives have done nothing but stand in the way of freedom and progress for years.
I agree. They SHOULD make it illegal to smoke in a car. ESPECIALLY if there are children in the back seat. That's freaking child abuse in my book! Losers!
wow, you all should stop before replying with some emotional knee-jerk reaction. josh is right. too many of our rights are being taken away because of an irresponsible minority. maybe we should make the standards for getting a license higher, or make the punishment for irresponsible driving a little harder. reardless of if it's the liberals or the conservatives, the problem remains the same. WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to be the government, but how many of us take the time to make be educated and involved?? maybe being a citizen should be a priveledge, not an inborn right, since nobody eally seems to appreciate the benefits. you all need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture before you jump on cell phones as the culprit. maybe you should blame the people causing the accidents. i frequently talk hands free while driving, and it's no more dangerous than talking to a passenger. in fact, it's safer in that i'm not turning to look or gesture at my passenger to emphasize my words. i maintain better eye contact with the road, and experience no trouble reacting to driving situations. anyone who can't manage a hands free conversation and drive at the same time, probably shouldn't have been given a license in the first place.
to USAFSGT
get a grip you sad little person, You bang on about people using cell phones in public as rude and obnoxious, well please, tell me what the difference is between someone using a cell phone at the table next to you "to have a mindless gabfest" and two old biddies sitting at the table next to you having a mindless gabfest? I think (and a lot of the public will agree with me) that eavesdropping on someone Else's conversation is more rude and obnoxious than the cell phone conversation that YOU listened into!!!!!!!!
I live in the uk and we are banned from holding cell phones whilst driving which is not a bad thing. However the use of hands free kits are accepted as our government have common sense agree that a call on a cell phone using hands free is no more distracting than speaking to passengers, listening to your favourite cd, or especially having screaming kids in the back of the car. Although in this country if you get caught eating or drinking, doing your make up or looking behind you to tell off screaming kids you get penalty points on your licence (which increases insurance premiums) and a substantial fine. I think its about time you tried the same. Common sense tells you that just banning the use of cell phones is not going to stop people eating, drinking and correcting screaming kids in the back of your car. Which, i think you will all agree, is just as dangerous. And as for the pulling over line that's not the best idea either as the side of the road will be filled with a row of cars and trucks because cell phones have such large usage.
You have to do more than scratch the surface to cure a problem one problem is not going to fix the accident rate.
So again to USAFSGT, get with the times, cell phones are here, their here to stay and if you cant accept advancement of the technological ways then keep your narrow minded drivel to the space of your own home cause im quite sure your only friend might have the same opinion as you!!!
Everyone has multitask in the car at one point or another. Talking on a blue tooth is no different than talking to a passenger which is more dangerous than hand free cuz most of the time you are looking at the person. where as with bluetooth you are looking at the road and talking. I have seen more accident because of stupity instead of cell phones. Like idiots slamming on brakes while the road is icy...or stopping as they are trying to merge on the highway...motorcycles driving between cars to get through traffic faster .. what about the people afraid of highways and only drive 40 miles an hour in a 65 speed zone...people running red lights and stop signs cuz they are in a hurry....People get over it and grow up!
You cause an accident you pay period dont blame the phone or the hands free set up in cars. it's not phones that cause accidents it stupity. You see a squirrel on the road dont slam on your brakes to miss it keep going chances are the squirrel will miss the tires anyway and you dont need to cause a pile up on the highway.
This is the land of the free remember that you want thing done a certian way than you can pay for my personal driver in my nice, BIG, gas guzzling TRUCK ok.
I dont complain about the gas prices for what i choose to drive atleast i know when an idiot hits me My kids will be safe and the little car will be crushed and I may have whip lash but be alive.
Dude. Putting on makeup while driving SHOULD be illegal. First, you're looking at something other than the road the whole time (aka the mirror). That's worse that cellphones, where you can still see the road sort of. Second, your hands aren't on the wheel.
Josh 351059 says in part:
'Are you kidding me??? The states that pass this law should also pass laws making illegal to eat in the car, smoke in the car, drink beverages in the car and (I'm sure you've done this Dawn-308170) put make-up on in the car.'
Obviously, you've never driven on the Autobahn in Germany. They laugh at American drivers, and for good reason. You can blow past a German police car on the Autobahn at 140mph and they won't bat an eye. But if they see you are on a cell phone, or drinking or eating while driving...they will certainly pull you over.
In Germany, it costs a lot of money to get a drivers' license, and they make you take a course that lasts up to a year. But they also have a much lower death rate per driving mile than America. They understand that driving is driving, and you need to pay attention to that because you not only control your own life, but the lives of others who share the road with you.
May I suggest you read the definition of liberal (but don't tell your gop buddies).
Last week I saw a woman driving and talking on her cell phone....one hand on the phone, the other hand sticking out the driver's window....no hands on the wheel.......???? This was in NY, one of the states with cell phone laws on the books. When will the madness end?
my favorite is talking on the phone and writing down something on a dash pad. Or smoking and talking at the same time. These folks are a riot and stupid.
well here in NY it seems everyone has forgotten this law even exists. and I do mean EVERYONE, including the local Newburgh police, as I can constantly see people break this law among others. maybe we need to do a study to see if the laws are even being enforced, to see what the real result of passing a law is.
well i nearly got side swiped by a cop who was typing on his computer, but i doubt we will see the electronics banned for him. it s about responsibility. not a device.
If I or anyone I love ever gets hurt because of cell phone use I can assure you I will sue the cell phone industry and the local authorities for not doing enough to keep the cell phones from being used in cars. I constantly see people using the cell phones even police use them. People are always swerving on my lane. It really angers me. Someone has to be held responsible as well as the one using the cell phones because they know the hazard they are contributing to and they must be held responsible. I wonder just how many people are in the graveyard because of cell phones that would be a nice little study to see.
If I or anyone I love ever gets hurt because of cell phone use I can assure you I will sue the cell phone industry and the local authorities for not doing enough to keep the cell phones from being used in cars. I constantly see people using the cell phones even police use them. People are always swerving on my lane. It really angers me. Someone has to be held responsible as well as the one using the cell phones because they know the hazard they are contributing to and they must be held responsible. I wonder just how many people are in the graveyard because of cell phones that would be a nice little study to see.
The issue is not whether the driver is holding the phone or hands free. It isn't the act of holding the phone that makes the difference, it is loss of cognitive ability while talking. It doesn't address the issue of loss of focus while texting or dialing a number. The only way to properly address the problem is to ban talking while driving, whether on the phone or to the person in the passenger seat. Obviously that can't/won't happen so the problem remains. All this law is going to do is generate revenue for the states.
Doing nothing is not the answer. Lives will be lost if you do nothing. Better the gov gets revenue than for people to lose their lives.
Oh my gosh, yes - why not tell people what they can discuss at dinner too? Or if they are in the car deciding where to stop for dinner - better pull over and have that conversation.
What a knucklehead.
Red Eagle is right; doing nothing is not the answer. Lives are being lost. The answer is not being introduced to us with this law. Lots of things kill people on the road INCLUDING cell phone use. But I'm willing to bet those same culprits who endanger peoples lives by driving and using the phone have a history of driving offenses be it minor or major. I don't think these people are all malelovent maybe a bit careless but make no mistake the problem is not the cell phone it is the user. I agree with the current handset bans and follow them; even though I myself have never been involved in an accident while on the phone. I can see how it can potentially be dangerous. The hands free ban however, I see no use in. I neglect to see how a hands free device is dangerous to the general public. A hands free device is exactly that...HANDS FREE, so after that the only thing restricting a driver from driving responsibly is there own mental state and level of concentration. The only thing that can improve that is training. Banning hands free devices does nothing except open the door to what else can be banned or taken away from us in the future.
This ban will only give a false sense of security behind the road as the same irresponsible drivers will either ignore the law completely or find something else that is legal to distract them. And then all of us will be right back here arguing over whether or not we should ban car radios. Think about it, can any supporter of this law tell me what is the difference between a person with using a hands free set on the road and an emphysema patient using a electro larynx(aka vocoder, voice box) while driving??? If anything an electro larynx is MORE of a danger because you at least need one hand to use it. So should those be out lawed as well???
Doing nothing is not the answer, but the answer does lie in better training and tougher guide lines when qualifying for a license. Again...the problem is not the cell phone but the cell phone user. I may not agree with Dawn on supporting this ban but she is right on the money when she says:
"We are becoming a society of ignorant, rude, arrogant human beings who really don't give a crap about anybody but ourselves."
She is absolutely right. I for one can't stand it. But the thing is, no amount of legislation can change that. Take a cell phone from the hands of a dangerous driver on the road and you're still left with a dangerous driver on the road. Even if they get a ticket or suspension, that'll only teach them not to fiddle with their phone or hands free device. They are still free to dabble with anything else. And if using a hands free device is a distraction worthy of penalty then what do we do with every other hand operated device within the car??? Do we penalize those as well??? The fact that any hand operated device( heat, A/C, Radio etc...) takes BOTH hands and EYES of the road already makes them alot more dangerous than hands free sets. Barring one and not the other would be like telling the public handguns are illegal but automatic machine guns and small bombs are fine. This law would only give people the illusion the road was a safer place. The only ones who really profit are local government lobbyists and insurance companies.
When it comes to lives we have to put away our selfishness for convenience aside and accept the fact that chatting on a phone is not worth putting peoples lives at risk. Any who would argue in favor of cell phone usage while driving is a fool. There needs to be regulation idiots do what they want we need to prevent cells phones from being usable. WE NEED a JAMMER in every CAR Mandatory by the manufacturer one that is tied into the dash mechanics. This will prevent cell phone deaths and be the solution.
As a physician caring for trauma patients let me say strongly - cell phone use should be banned. Even if an emergency exists, pull over and converse. Sure, some studies show minimal harm or with hands free a better outcome, but don't be fooled as data is not always what it appears. For example, if data collected at the scene of an accident, who is going to admit to cell phone use? There is enough simulation data to support my contention. Anecdotally, we all see people weaving, slowing down, making dangerous turns and putting everyone's life at stake. The California mentality is YOU watch out for ME. More media support is needed to bring this obsession with cell phones to rest - it is critical to pay attention - driving can kill or injure innocent people. Wake up, driving takes constant attention, it's not a form of entertainment!
Well said, Doc. I try to keep my eyes on the road at all times - not with tunnel vision, but being aware of what is going on around you. How can you do that and talk on the phone?
Dan-DON't talk on your phone!!!
If your on the road everyday with these fools you KNOW it's a major problem.
Check it out: www.hangupandrive.org
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If I or anyone I love ever gets hurt because of cell phone use I can assure you I will sue the cell phone industry and the local authorities for not doing enough to keep the cell phones from being used in cars. I constantly see people using the cell phones even police use them. People are always swerving on my lane. It really angers me. Someone has to be held responsible as well as the one using the cell phones because they know the hazard they are contributing to and they must be held responsible. I wonder just how many people are in the graveyard because of cell phones that would be a nice little study to see.
Hey Josh, when you lose a loved one because of cell phones maybe your attitude will be different. having a non considerate attitude because it is convenient to talk on a cell phone is not really showing concern for other peoples lives. Sure people get killed by other means but that does not mean you don't try to regulate habits and conduct that could take away a life. Cells phones and texting do not belong in the drivers seat. People are driving a 2 ton piece of machinery they do not need to be conversing with people miles away when they are supposed to be paying attention to the road and the people alongside the road.
Your view is very disturbing why don't we just stop regulating everything and let everyone who has no brain kill other people? Think about what you are saying Josh think!
Yep - spurious law suits are the answer.
Because the studies I've read from highway safety agencies all point to the distraction being the culprit - not the physical phone itself - I can't agree with hands-free laws. The last study I read from the NHTSB showed that talking, eating, texting and looking at maps were all as dangerous as driving drunk.
We already have laws to deal with people who drive poorly. They can be cited for reckless driving. If people are weaving in traffic, driving too slowly (the average cellphone talker drives 10mph slower than the speed limit), speeding, etc. are all covered by reckless driving. We don't need separate laws to cover every contingency - we need the laws we have enforced.
Well, as several people have stated if you ban cell phones you HAVE to ban GPS and Radio's, CD players etc. The loud radios that kids drive around with today are ok, but cell phones are bad? You can't be serious. I use a headset and it is the same as driving with someone in the vehicle. As a matter of fact when someone is in the vehicle with me, ESPECIALLY young children, I am more distracted. Should we ban small children too? Or perhaps we should just limit the times of day that they can be on the road. I realize the young people with cell phones are not experienced enough to drive and talk, but young people don't have a very good track record without cell phones. Maybe we should ban people under 21 from using cell phones in the car. What about smokers.That is a big distraction too, bigger than cell phones. I know, I used to do it. You see you have to use a little common sense here. I have been driving for over 30 years now and I can drive and talk on a headset better than someone who is dealing with small kids, smoking or listening to a loud radio. I can guarantee you. Some people, ie young people don't have the experience to do both, but should I have be penalized for their inabilities? I sure hope you people that are for this know where it is headed. Say goodbye to your MP3 that connects to your CD players and your GPS, because you can't believe they are safer than headphones.But if you do believe that God help you.
Office nerds who do research always find a way to tweak their studies to favor what benefits the corporations.. That is how all fraudulent things are allowed. Just because some study is in favor of hands free does not mean it is the right thing to do. I am fed up with pro corporate people who want to benefit their bank account rather than look after the welfare of the people.
If your on the road everyday with these fools you KNOW it's a problem.
Check it out! www.hangupandrive.org :)
It was years ago I first saw a bumper sticker reading, "Hang Up and Drive!" I'll always remember that. I have a cell phone but it is for emergencies ONLY. I don't even give out my number to people who don't need to know it. I care for a small child. Her life is in my hands. I cannot talk on a cell phone and drive and I know it. So I don't. There is no emergency that is more important than the life of my little charge. People can call me at home and/or leave a message.
I lived on Long Island,until about 2 years ago,hands free only, if you used youre phone with out handsfree watch out,the looks the hand gestures,the comments from the other vehicles,I moved to NC,and the people down here wait until they get in there cars and make phone calls,let alone not useing turn signals,this law must be passed for the safety of the general public.
Have you ever heard of a "sentence"? No one has any idea what you're trying to say. Most kids learn how to write one by the time they're in the third grade. Were you absent that week?
Hi Hamlet,I am sorry I offended you, I was proably looking at my bank account, with my 3rd. grade education, how much do you have in youre account ?
I am for outlawing cell phones while driving in a car. Too many times, people talking on the cell phone are not concentrating on their driving. I say this because twice I was nearly hit by a driver coming off a side street - not bothering to stop at the stop sign and pull out in front of me - yes! both times she/he was talking on a cell phone and forgetting about his/her driving. If you need to use the cell phone, pull off the side of the road, stop and place your call. I note people walking out of the office immediately pull out their cell.
Heck, there are people who walk right out of their houses to use their cell phones....where I live I think it's a requirement that people must grab their phone and immediately start talking once they get in their car. Unfortunately, I am not joking or exaggerating about this...
CAN I TALK ON MY BANANA? What the laws basically state is that we as human being are less capable of performing tasks with one of our hands raised to our head. Holding the phone to your ear is what is against the law. It isn't againt the law to scratch my face while driving. Picking my nose is o.k. So if I'm talking to someone in my back seat holding a banana to my ear that would be legal too? Everything I am doing in that scenario is exactly what takes place while talkig on a cell phone but is "legal". The conversation itself is what makes it dangerous. Not the delivery method. There's no way to regulate whether someone is distracted while driving or not, so i don't see how the laws can be stated as making the roads safer.
Wrong; What the law says in all of our states in much easier to understand than your suggesting. The law merely says; You will have your vehicle under complete control at all times.
Needless to say; if one is using or doing anything while operating a vehicle that is distracting or otherwise causing your control of your vehicle to be any less that 100%, then the law has been breached.
Considering the amount of driving we all do each day, none of these concerns are unreasonable or come as any surprise and need our co-operation to help and keep each other safe. You know from experience there are thousands of drivers our on our hi-ways that have no business driving at any time or manner. But I do have to wonder about the priority of the matter, right now George Bush is still in the process of causing un-necessary deaths of humans including our soldiers. These issue should be handled first and formost.
Tobucks, if the information provided in Reality Check's rebuttal is right, the law is unnecessary and frivolous. If any act that distracts or has you lose control of your vehicle already breaches law, why the extra legislation??? And why not ban talking to the back seat and etc. if this ban is allowed? Furthermore, all these studies are being used to make assumptions that are being used to slowly penalize the entire general public. Just because I'm distracted on a call doesn't mean someone else having the same conversation will be. Soldiers at war in Iraq use communications devices in the field ALL THE TIME! And I'll tell you what if they get injured or god forbid killed, do you think it should be blamed on their radio??? If soldiers on the field can utilize communications in battle and keep their heads you are telling me, we can't focus enough to communicate with both hands and eyes available while driving???
People driving and on their cell phones...whether its hands free or not...is dangerous...period!!! I worked as an insurance investigator for a number of years...I cannot even begin to tell you about the accidents that people have been involved in that involve the use of a cell phone. Is it just as dangerous to smoke, drink (not alcohol...that's a whole other story), eat, shave, put on makeup, make dinner, read the paper, whatever. Is it realistic to keep both hands on the wheel and ones eyes on the road to insure that people are driving without distraction? No...because people would be driving by themselves...no friends, no kids...nobody...with no noise other than the engine...the radio is distracting. However, if there is one thing that I could pass on to the general public about this issue is this....if you know you are going to be on the phone for more than 1 minute...either call the person that you are speaking to back when it is safe to do so or pull to the side of the road if you can...or a parking lot and finish your conversation...parked. Or how about this....don't answer the phone at all while you are driving until you are at your destination. It's kind of like we functioned in life back in the early 80's where WE DID NOT HAVE CELL PHONES!!!! You remember folks don't you? We were able to function in life without someone trying to contact us every 12 seconds. I did my own crude study regarding this issue a couple of months ago....I made a mental note when anyone veered in my lane of travel because they were on their cell phone...then when I got to my destination I would make the notation in my calendar. One day I had 8 people almost hit my car because they were on their phones!!! 8 IN ONE DAY! Now I don't want to see any comments about how next we will be calling for no smoking, eating, drinking, breathing in a car because all of those liberals out there are calling for it. This is not an issue of taking away civil liberties or the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want, for how long you want to do anything in ones own car....although I can easily see where the arguments are made by some individuals. But....from someone who has had experience investigating causes of accidents...where I have seen not only damage to property....but more importantly...I have seen lives damaged or tragically ended as a result...I respectfully look at this as a public safety issue. If you make the choice of driving a car...which in all seriousness could be considered to be a weapon of mass destruction...and I am not using that term loosely or disrespectfully...and you cause an accident as a result of being on your phone...then be prepared to face the consequences of your actions. There is a very easy way to prevent this from occurring....please, rethink about having that 20 minute conversation with someone as you are driving, eating, and listening to the radio all at the same time....it could be potentially dangerous and hazardous to your life as well as mine. Either pull over, park your car and have that conversation....tell them you will call them back or don't answer the darn thing in the first place until you are at your destination. This is a topic that needs to be introduced to when someone is first learning how to drive....instructors should be educating their students about how not to talk and drive. New drivers should also be required to take a trip to their city morgue to see the possible result of not paying attention to the road. That way they can see the possible results of either their own actions or if someone in another car all of a sudden becomes distracted. Remember the opening sequence of the movie "Disturbia"...that crash is not an exaggeration....those types of accidents are all too real unfortunately. And if you remember correctly...the kid was on his cell phone just before the accident occurred.
Horray Rhonda! This legislation is not about taking away any civil rights or liberties. It is all about PUBLIC SAFETY ...PERIOD! I find it increasingly disturbing how we have become a nation of individuals that care so much about doing whatever we want whenever we want. It is sad how the government has been forced to address this issue. How many more lives will be lost, property destroyed and money drained from the economy on raising medical and car insurance, because of arrogant people that think they have the right to whatever they want with no regard of the consequences of their actions.
Rhonda - Use paragraphs. Please.
Reading a block of text that looks about the size of a brick is annoying. You may have great points, (though I believe you are wrong about banning cell phones) but no one is drawn to read your comments as they are in one big paragraph.
I believe to solve the problem cars should come equipped with jammers that stop all cell phone activity in the car while it is on.. That is the solution..
Yeah - God forbid your passenger should call 911 if there is an accident on the road too.
All one would have to do is pull over shut off the car and walla you can make a phone call.. No big inconvenience..
Wrong Red Eagle. Don't know how many large cities you have been in or where you live; but at times it is impossible or a death risk to pull over on the road.
Additionally, we in the US do not need ANY more laws to govern the way we conduct our lives.
Apparently we do need more laws. People do not have the common sense to stop talking on the cell phones even when it is against the law to do so. There is always a way to find a way to pull over it may not be just where you happen to be at the moment.
All the comments in favor of talking om the phone while driving are either people totally unaware of their surroundings, what affects their attention or damned, immature liars. Anyone that drives over 10-20 miles per day knows this.
I drive an average of 2,500 miles a month and an averge of 2, 000 minutes of cell time all handsfree and its no different than have a conversation with a passenger.
YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HANDS FREE OR NOT, phones are just ANOTHER distraction that takes away from driving. While lighting a cigarette can cause a problem, smoking and driving DOES NOT take away your attention from the road. Changing a radio station can, but if you start good habits you do this stuff at stop lights or learn your radio's dashboard so you never have to look. I'm sure 99% of the population knows what is where in their car.
Kids and passengers ARE a disturbance as much as talking on the phone. But as the driver, you are in control...and if you are a passenger, SHUT UP! You can choose that situation ahead of time and how you are going to handle it. Bottom line, talking while driving in ANY capacity does hinder your focus - PERIOD! I will say on my daily commutes to and from work, if I end up behind someone driving off kilter, I can either see they are on the phone from the rear, or if I get a chance to pass them in the right line cause they are driving 2 footed ans slow in the left lane, I see that ARROGANT ear piece and the driver appears to be conversating with air.
911 emergencies will arise, and sure would be interesting to have a study done on how many more lives are saved because of cell phones. MY GUESS? That the accidents that happen BECAUSE of cell phones FAR OUT WEIGHT the people saved because someone was able to call 911. I'd be willing to put A LOT of money on it.
Maybe I am missing something, but if it is the conversation that is distracting, than do we need to outlaw passengers, or simply talking to passengers? What about the soccer mom with ten screaming, jumping 10- year-olds in the back of her giant SUV? Is she less distracted because she is only yelling at the kids and turned around looking at them, and not on her cell phone? I don't buy it. I do use a hands-free device in my car, and I will continue to do so, regardless of the law.
dgshorty. Maybe you have an addiction to tech anything but mostly cells. Do you feel nervous and angry if you can't be calling/texting all the time even when there is nothing to say? I'm a little worried knowing you are going to do whatever you want regardless. My illegal jammer I just received is soo much fun especially with the" addicted to tech crowd". Ever watch somebody pitch a fit because they can't talk/text nobody in particular, what a hoot. Problem is these people really suck at the driving and thinking stuff. When you get into a crash I hope only you get hurt. Soccer moms are already more responsible than you because they are doing something with their kids. Turn the tech stuff off and look around, maybe you will see something cool and save a life.
You are correct! Next thing, we will be legislated not to drive at night too - the glare from headlights is too distracting.
I've watched too many people veer off the road, rear end other cars, and just be ignorant for the sake of a stupid phone call to not want cell pohones to be targeted.
It's the conversation, people - NOT whether or not it's hands-free!
I live in the area with the largest concentration of cell phone-impaired drivers - the L.A. basin, not the back woods of insert-your-state-here. Anyone who thinks it's OK to talk on a phone while driving in southern California should have their license permanently revoked. It's obvious that they don't possess the intelligence or common sense necessary to operate a motor vehicle on public roads.
While I am extremely coordinated, quite bright (take my word for it!), not young, not old, have a stellar driving record (because I pay attention!), and am very comfortable with technology, I will not EVER talk while I drive - it's insane, it's dangerous, it's unnecessary, and around here, you have to be completely attentive and aware at all times, or someone who IS talking while they're driving will swerve right into you as they cut across four lanes of traffic because they didn't realize this was their freeway exit...
Not only do these selfish, self-absorbed, clueless, yakking drivers cause accidents, injuries, and deaths, they also drastically reduce the average speeds on the roads and highways, causing even more traffic than the choking amount we're already blessed with, costing everyone time, money, and oh yeah, did you know gas is nearly $5 per gallon? And as we all know, traffic flows quickly and freely around L.A. - but only if you happen to be driving at 3:30 in the morning.
If you've ever driven in L.A., you'd see that at any one time, roughly 20% of the drivers are on the phone! Yes, I've done the research and the math. I routinely see three, four, and five drivers in a row on the phone, all completely oblivious to their surroundings. You'd better believe I flip them off, yell at them through their window, lay on my horn so they can't hear, make "blah blah" hands at them, cut them off, brake suddenly or slow to a crawl if they're behind me - anything to get them off the phone. I can't count the number of times I've almost been hit as a pedestrian by a cell-impaired driver not paying attention. A nice hard slap on the hood of the car can get the message across.
How has this EVER been legal? I say it's time to legalize cell phone jammers and let us stop the conversations ourselves at the push of a button.
The law about to go into effect here in California has no spine, misses the point completely, and will have at best absolutely NO effect whatsoever. The cops won't enforce it; they don't do a damn thing now when people yak and drive recklessly (which is - surprise! - not allowed), and you can bet they aren't going to start now. They can't pull every fifth driver over. Now that the state has sanctioned hands-free conversations, it's only going to get worse as people believe that it's safe to talk that way. It isn't.
Governor Schwarzenegger, as a fellow Santa Monica resident (with relatives that attend your children's school, by the way), I call on you to use your influence to get a law passed banning ALL cell phone use while driving (emergencies excepted, of course), or resign as governor, as you are failing your oath to protect the people of California.
Or, drivers could simply shove their phones up their rear ends; at least they'd be closer to their heads.
STOP THE MADNESS - HANG UP AND DRIVE!!
>> You'd better believe I flip them off, yell at them through their window, lay on my horn so they can't hear, make "blah blah" hands at them, cut them off, brake suddenly or slow to a crawl if they're behind me - anything to get them off the phone. <<
Blowing your horn other than in an emergency is illegal in California. Intentionally cutting someone off is illegal, dangerous and downright stupid! Far more dangerous than talking on the telephone. And if you do that and cause an accident which kills someone, you will be a candidate for state prison. Braking suddenly and without reason is also illegal. If that causes an accident, you will be at fault. Driving too slowly for the conditions on the freeway is also illegal.
So, Mr. Self-Appointed Traffic cop, at least four of your "tactics" for getting people off their cell phones are illegal. And the road rage characteristics of yelling at people, blowing your horn and making "blah-blah" motions with your hands are also distracting YOU from driving safely.
You, Sir, are not at all "quite bright" (take my word for it!). Rather, you are a self-confessed clueless jackass, far more dangerous on the road than most cell phone talking drivers.
Jim Reilly
Novato CA
Ever talk to your spouse or another passenger in the car? It's the CONVERSATION that is distracting - right?
Problem Solver, thanks for putting all the reasons cell phones should be jammed while driving so eloquently. I totally agree with everything you said. Sadly I won't be able to look forward to safer roads in my home state, Tennessee, because every cop or state trooper you see are also talking on their personal cell phones. It is total madness!!! The really scary thing to see is a weaving semi on the road and realize the idiot behind the wheel is on a cell phone. Yes, I have a cell phone, on silent when turned on, I have it for emergency purposes only, if I want to have a conversation with someone I wait until I get home. I don't know about other states but 8 out of 10 accidents on Tennessee highways usually involves a semi and a car, I'd be willing to bet, one or both of the drivers was on the phone. Stop the madness!!!
I don't like cell phones while driving, but you're right that the conversation is the culprit. I had a friend who would go from 70mph to 50 in the fast lane because she was talking and not paying attention to maintaining her speed.
LOL! I don't mean to laugh, Problem Solver, but you sound just like me! I totally agree with you! Although I've only driven in your area a few times, I have seen what you're talking about. I have the same problem here in WA State, unfortunately. My "favorite" is when a construction worker, driving a HUGE pickup with an unsecured load (another no-no in this state!) is talking on a cell phone (no hands-free device) and eating his lunch while trying to navigate rush-hour traffic, and there I am driving next to him in my little black Honda Civic. I could go on and on, but you stated it much more concise than I could at the moment. Well put!
I guess the solution is simple then, eh, Jim?
HANG UP AND DRIVE!
(By the way, you'll be very pleased to know that I telecommute and drive less than 10 miles a MONTH...not because of gas prices, but because I can't stand driving around here anymore. It's just too dangerous because of all these yakking, self-absorbed blowhards...)
Thank you, kattgirl!
Nice to know that there are still some thinking people around these parts...if they want to chat while they commute, a bus, train or subway is the correct (and safe) choice!
Or (gasp!) they could simply wait until they get where they're going and then call, but hey, that's far too complicated for most of the yakkers to figure out...especially when they're blindly drifting into my lane in their monstrous SUVs, about to crush my little car! But if you honk at them or disturb their conversation, or try to get them to pay attention before you get hit and/or killed, Jim from Novato (above) will get upset...
Thanks for the support!
I've commuted 50 to 75 miles a day in L.A. for the past 6 years. For the first 5 years, when I'd return home from work in the evening, I'd use a hands-free cell phone to talk to my aging Dad (in his late 80s) back on the East Coast right before he went to bed. He died last summer. Through times of good and bad health, our daily 30-45 minute conversations remain one of my most precious memories of his last years (I'd visit him frequently in person too, so it's not like this was all we had). I'm grateful the cell phone was invented in time for us to use that perfect time of day for us to talk together. He loved our conversations too. I never felt I was any more distracted talking to him on the phone than I would have been if he was in the seat next to me. I never had as much as a near accident in that time. I see as much or more thoughtless driving from people without cell phones -- a particular puzzler: why do so many cars feel the need to merge into the 30 feet right in front of my car when there are a couple hundred feet of empty road behind me? And why are there so many open topped trucks hauling sand and dirt allowed to travel without a cover, giving all cars behind them a nice sand blast--and causing drivers to respond in unsafe ways to avoid being sandblasted? Road safety is important, but until someone can prove that hands-free use is significantly more dangerous than talking to a fellow passenger, it seems to me that that level of risk is something we should be comfortable with. Meanwhile, there is whole set of other ways to make cars, drivers and the roads safer that would make for a better investment of our time and resources.
>> ... especially when they're blindly drifting into my lane in their monstrous SUVs, about to crush my little car! But if you honk at them or disturb their conversation, or try to get them to pay attention before you get hit and/or killed, Jim from Novato (above) will get upset... <<
Are you being intentionally obtuse? Or are you really that dense? I have no problem with honking at someone who is drifting into your lane or otherwise creating an actual hazard on the freeway. I do it myself whenever necessary (and under those circumstances, it is legal to do so).
Read my comment again and see if it expresses any support for cell phone drivers who are creating a freeway hazard. It doesn't; rather, it condemns YOUR self-described arrogant, irrational, stupid and downright dangerous over-reactive conduct.
>> (By the way, you'll be very pleased to know that I telecommute and drive less than 10 miles a MONTH...not because of gas prices, but because I can't stand driving around here anymore. It's just too dangerous because of all these yakking, self-absorbed blowhards...) <<
Anything that keeps you off the road is a good thing. I drive an average of more than 500 miles per week and would much rather have to deal with 1000 drivers on cell phones than one lunatic like you who thinks it's okay to cut people off and slam on his brakes in front of them to make some misbegotten point.
By the way, just this morning only a few miles from where I am working and on my route home tonight, someone in a small pickup truck slammed on his brakes on the 880 freeway. The big rig driver behind him tried to swerve around him and crashed through the center divider into oncoming traffic, hitting another vehicle head on. Last I heard, at least two people were dead, including the big rig driver.
>> You'd better believe I flip them off, yell at them through their window, lay on my horn so they can't hear, make "blah blah" hands at them, cut them off, brake suddenly or slow to a crawl if they're behind me - anything to get them off the phone. <<
I wonder -- was the driver of that pickup truck trying "anything" to get the big rig driver off his cell phone.
Jim Reilly
Novato CA
I think you're right, Jim. We're all better off if cooler heads prevail on the road.
Hitler had a similar idea!
LA FreewayDenizen - while yours is a touching story, Why did you insist on risking everyone else's life by driving while talking rather than just pulling over, stopping at a park, stopping for fast food, etc.? This is selfish, childish, stubborn, pig-headed; you name it. You don't drive just for you; you drive for the safety of all. How many people did you not pay attention to who had to compensate by changing lanes, slowing down / panic brake, etc.
If you have to talk, pull over. Quit risking other people's lives
Yeah, make a plea to the cigar smoking, motorcycle driving govinator to limit the right of California's Citizens to talk on their cell phones while driving! He's very interested in public safety over personal freedom!
Eriq -- I love being alive. I'm a careful driver. I've never even had a traffic ticket of any kind in 40 years of driving with or without a cell phone. You take some great leaps in your message. If I seriously thought driving with a hands free cell phone was endangering me or others, I wouldn't do it. Show me any kind of scientific data that says talking hands free is more dangerous than driving while talking to a fellow passenger, and I won't do it. Please at least ground your insults in some meaningful data.
I'm in Southern California. I know exactly what you are talking about. But at least you made me laugh although this is a seious subject. Your last two lines:
Or, drivers could simply shove their phones up their rear ends; at least they'd be closer to their heads.
STOP THE MADNESS - HANG UP AND DRIVE!!
were the best. A bit crude but to the point.
The solution is always simple it is just that people don't want to do it. They try to make it more complicated than it is.
So there.
I totally agree with everything you said Problem solver..... also... with regards to that person's comment about horn blowing.... if blowing your horn is illegal in CA, why I have I NEVER been pulled over? I've blown my horn so many times at people, and have seen cop cars in my vicinity while doing so......yet..... huh... I've never gotten pulled over. Interesting. LOL
Tish:
California Vehicle Code section 27001 reads as follows:
27001. (a) The driver of a motor vehicle when reasonably necessary
to insure safe operation shall give audible warning with his horn.
(b) The horn shall not otherwise be used, except as a theft alarm
system which operates as specified in Article 13 (commencing with
Section 28085) of this chapter.
If you want to see it for yourself, go here:
Generally speaking, cops have better things to do than pull people over for blowing their horns, unless doing so is creating a hazard (such as in the way "problem creator" uses his). How many times have you been speeding without being pulled over? Or rolled through a stop sign? Of followed too closely on the freeway? Or made a lane change or turn without signalling? Or failed to yield to a pedestrian on the curb? Or blew a red light? Or any of the other violations people routinely commit without being caught or cited.
I was a prosecutor for almost ten years and did criminal defense for 15. A cop friend once told me that if he followed ANY driver for about five minutes, he would see at least one vehicle code violation.
Jim Reilly
Novato CA
Oh, sorry, the site deleted my link to the code section. I guess that's a violation of the site rules. Anyway, you can Google it by entering leginfo.ca.gov and go the that page.
Yea, I hate answering a call while I'm driving and despise those who are constantly on the phone, HOWEVER, I guess stuffing that big mac in your face, with the wrapper spread open and the drink in your lap is perfectly fine? Look around, there people reading the paper, putting on make-up etc. Is there really an answer?
Problem Solver? I think not. Sounds like you are more of a problem than a solution if you are flipping people off, cutting them off, braking suddenly, etc. You are more of a menace than someone talking on their phone. Not "quite bright" (take MY word for it)!
What he has is called road rage, and it is a growing cause of accidents in the US.
Some people can't walk and cell talk at the same time. Others will be so wrapped up in their phones that they ignore traffic walking onto streets without looking. I work on a very large university campus in a metro area... students, local townies, casual visitors... everyone does it. It used to be that talking on the cell phone while walking or standing around in public was thought of by the user as a status sysmbol. Now, the blue tooth ear pieces make people look goofy.. another status symbol (I'm important). Interestingly, everyone seems to be involved in this social activity and its getting riskier day to day.
THEN... along comes text messaging!!!!
Sometimes we find it necessary to legislate responsibility. I think that is usually the last resort and typically when a large portion of the population says enough is enough.
Enough is enough!! We can't ban cell phones... but we can put pressure on the user and law enforcement. The fines ought to be heavy and penalty points on the violators license. Insurance rates will go up for high risk and problematic violators.
Personally, I would love to see the law enforced in my city in New York. But, no-one cares... not even the cops who won't stop a driver on the phone... even with a warning. I say... let cell callers behind the wheel help to pay for our roads, municipal services, etc just like the cigareete smokers who are paying $2.75 tax per pack in NY.
OK.. those of you who disagree... let 'er rip!!
I am glad New York State already requires hands - free cell phone devices while using cell phones on the road. I am not typically an advocate of more government dictates as it seems they come down with a new, stupid law about once an hour in this state in particular, but this was a good one.
Still, about 99% of the drivers I see still breaking the law by hand - holding them while driving appear to be women. For some reason, they can't seem to abstain from having to flap their jaws while driving. What can be that important that it can't wait until one gets where they are going? It's equally rude to see them walking around in stores and in checkout lines blabbing away loudly about some inane topic. Personally, I wish the use of them in such places would be outlawed as well.
Wow, I love how people are so for passing laws against rudeness. This is why everything in this country is becoming so politically correct. Guess what? You don't have the right to not be offended! There is nothing in the constitution that says anything that offends you should be outlawed!
And red eagle, yeah sue the cell phone companies because an individual is an idiot and kills someone, thats brilliant! Just like sueing gun companies because a crack addict shoots someone. Hell lets sue McDonalds for having a drive through which allows people to eat in there cars too!
Technology is only going to get more and more advanced so you may as well get used to it, or move to a cave in the mountains and hide away. If we pass laws against every new gadget that distracts someone we won't be able to anything without getting a ticket! What about the people walking, or running, or biking down the road with there headphones on? You could go on and on about this. It comes down to personal responsibility.
Hey seriously you obvoulsy DONT get it. People are not agaisnt using cell phones because its RUDE you not to smart person (least I was nice about it) its because its dangerous and can cause serious accidents you fool. I guess we should allow people to drink and drive too? According to your philosophy its just being rude, whats the harm?? Maybe your wake up when a friend or loved one is killed by a driver who was distracted by their cell phone.
Or their passenger, or their kids, or their wife, or someone honking their horn, etc.
Thomas Jefferson once said, "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."
Turning the radio on/off, lighting and smoking cigarettes, and engaging in simple conversation with other passengers create just as much of a distraction as holding a cell phone to your ear- if not more. Will we be legislating against talking or listening to the radio in the car, also?
Well said, Heather. In my state there have been no cell phone use laws passed, but either way I'll be using mine as necessary. We do, however, have a new no smoking law for all business locations. I happen to own a business, and although a non-smoker myself, there will be a "smoke 'em if you got 'em" policy at my place. I live to be a conscientious objector--and will not complain if I am some day held responsible for something I have done wrong. That's just how it's supposed to work.
Thomas Jefferson said that? I'd love to see the actual quote, as he's one of my favorite presidents and historical figures...and I've never seen anything similar to that in his quotes.
You sure you didn't get that from an email? Lots of stuff going around that people CLAIM was said by famous figures (helps the credibility more than saying, "well, I think...) but never was.
You have a source for that?
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